I feel that if you’re a guy, and you’re a nerd, you should have dumped the idea that women and men can’t like or be good at the same things about the same time you saw you’re first badass female character. Or vulnerable and strong female character. Or just a female character thats actually been written worth a damn. What does it say that the same people who agree that the treatment of mutants in Marvel comics is wrong also objectify female cosplayers? Do we really live in a world where you can see the truth right in front of you and still end up ignoring it because of some elitist philosophy? Grow up kid.
If you read books and comic books, play video games, and watch movies, then understand the good things they are trying to teach you. MaleShep and FemShep are equally badass. Wonder Woman can go toe to toe with Superman and Batman at the same time. Lois Lane doesn’t need powers to put you in your place, just a powerful strength of character.
Its a new age my fellow male nerds. The damsel in distress is also a badass in distress. Surprise, women are more than just cardboard cutouts for male attention to admire. They are people. And thats the only distinction. Just face a human being like a damn human being, and you’ll be amazed how much better things turn out.
Maybe we’ll actually get a fucking Wonder Woman movie.
I just read a very civil, reasonable argument against some of the skimpier costumes on female characters in comics.
It’s a huge topic, I’ve talked about it endlessly, and I think I have expressed that a costume that is revealing is not alone upsetting to me. If it makes sense for the character, I am fine with it, particularly if it’s a great design.
Some of the characters that come up in this discussion a lot are Power Girl, Red Sonja, and Wonder Woman, but there are obviously lots of others.
I think it’s perfectly fair to point out that most of these costumes were designed by men (fun fact, Vampirella’s costume was designed by the great feminist cartoonist Trina Robbins), for the male gaze. I also think it’s perfectly fair to say that these characters and those outfits do still manage to speak to many women, as evidenced by the love they get here on Tumblr, in cosplay, in comics stores and elsewhere, and the outrage that happens when someone tries to change one of these iconic outfits.
My question is, does the outfit make sense for the character. My other question is, can it be repurposed, in story, or subverted somehow, to become about, yes, empowerment in some manner?
When I look at Power Girl’s classic outfit, it just doesn’t bother me. It fits her, to my mind. She doesn’t care what you think and she likes how she looks, that seems to be her character.
When I wrote Wonder Woman, I went to some length to justify her costume…but not that her arms and legs are bare, she’s an amazon with invulnerability, she doesn’t really NEED pants.
And Sonja I’ve talked about at length.
So, just asking everyone, and if you identify as female or other than male, it might be nice to add that info if you feel comfortable.
Skimpy costumes on female characters. Is it a one-size-fits-all thing, where revealing costumes are bad, or in some cases, can it fit the character and NOT be cringe-inducing?
I admit, my tolerance for this is may be higher than some. I have seen first-hand for years how much these characters are embraced by women, skimpy outfits and all.
But I don’t claim to be an authority and maybe I’m dead wrong.
What do you think?
This is a really interesting discussion going on, and I encourage everyone to read the notes from other Tumblrs to get a full perspective (as well as adding notes of your own).
As many have commented before me, I can come to accept skimpy costumes when they fit the role of the character. However considering that skimpy costumes appear to be the default starter for female characters, it gets frustrating to sift through quality empowered skimpily dressed characters and sexually objectified characters that are put into a sexy costume purely so that when the artist draws them twisted in a certain way that they get the best boob and/or ass shot possible.
I am still relatively new to comics, so as yet I haven’t read any Power Girl or Red Sonja (though both are now on my list of things to pick up by Miss Simone) but from a visual assessment both characters do tend to turn me off.
Power Girls outfit, regardless of whether she likes it or not, isn’t a big draw for me. It’s an interesting costume, but it gets exploited for cleavage shots where I didn’t need any (re: Ame Comi #1; In one panel, Power Girls boobs are bigger than her head). Even as a bisexual female reader, it’s distracting and leaves me cringing and distracted from the story rather than engaged in Power Girls well… power!
Red Sonja had the same effect visually when I first encountered her. It’s only through Tumblr that I’ve learnt her metal bikini isn’t supposed to be an RPG version of “Armour”. With this context in mind, it makes complete and total sense, and I’m now very interested to pick some Sonja up. Yet, again, without this background knowledge from a visual analysis it was just another striped down babe on a comic book cover that is being used as the poster girl for “Confident in her femininity and power”, the token excuse for lack of clothing in female characters (but I’m yet to see Bruce Wayne strut around in a thong because he’s comfortable with his masculinity).
Wonder Woman I have no problem with. The outfit mostly makes logical sense, or perhaps it’s the Xena fangirl in me talking… However it’s the breast size in that outfit is what usually makes me side-eye it (which is an artist flaw, not an outfit flaw).
In my opinion, while I can accept skimpy costumes, I do prefer them to be more realistic. Not head-to toe covered catsuit realistic, I mean large gravity defying breasts in a boob tube top with no obvious bra or support? Hmmmmmmm.
Running over rooftops in 6 inch heels? Hmmmmmm.
Cut outs in a costume specifically to serve no purpose but cleavage? Hmmmmmmm.
Strips of a bodice hiding nothing but the nipples being worn in a fight scene? Hmmmmmmmmmm.
Warrior wearing a bikini because she’s impervious and athletic? Okay, I get that.
So I guess… to me it lessens the credibility of the empowered skimpily clad woman when her empowerment is still exploited for the male gaze.